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04:15 < pflanze> Hello
04:15 < pflanze> What do I have to do to get a uml with mem=512MB working?
04:16 < pflanze> It says: CONFIG_HIGHMEM not enabled - physical memory shrunk to 430964736 bytes
04:16 < caker> run skas and config himem in the UML kernel?
04:16 < pflanze> where the number varies from run to run.
04:16 < ichilton> pflanze: enable the option CONFIG_HIGHMEM :)
04:16 < pflanze> Yes, both skas and highmem 4g enabled in uml kernel.
04:16 < ichilton> oh
04:16 < ichilton> strange
04:16 < caker> dumb question, but running the right kernel? :-)
04:17 < pflanze> Strange thing is also, that dmesg|grep -i mem does not show the above line from inside uml.
04:17 < pflanze> It's just printed to stderr.
04:17 < pflanze> or stdout rather.
04:17 < pflanze> ah shiiit
04:18 < pflanze> of course, caker: I've made a chroot...
04:18 < caker> k
04:18 < caker> it happens :-)
04:20 < pflanze> Hmm, with the right one it won't even boot.
04:20 < pflanze> Kernel panic: Kernel mode fault at addr 0x7c42277, ip 0xa01a58d1
04:21 < pflanze> And it still prints 'Kernel virtual memory size shrunk to 28311552 bytes', though no 'CONFIG_HIGHMEM not enabled' anymore.
04:21 < caker> not sure if this matters, but is highmem enabled on the host?
04:21 < pflanze> shrunk to 28MB !
04:21 < pflanze> yes it is.
04:21 < caker> hmm
04:22 < pflanze> I have 1 1/4 GB RAM on the host.
04:22 < pflanze> (1292592 k)
04:23 < caker> what uml kernel/umlpatch are you using?
04:24 < pflanze> This is user-mode-linux-2.4.20-6um from debian unstable, rebuilt with CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y
04:25 < pflanze> hmm, I did put CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y and CONFIG_HIGHIO=y into the config, too, seems like 'make oldconfig ARCH=um' did throw those out.
04:25 < pflanze> I have those two running in the host (with 2.4.21)
04:26 < pflanze> Do you run with mem >= 512MB?
04:26 < caker> I experimented with that a while ago, and was told skas' highmem limit was around 1GB, and tts was around 380, but was told today that was incorrect
04:27 < caker> otherwise, no, not more than a few hundred
04:27 < pflanze> What's this?: CONFIG_KERNEL_STACK_ORDER=2
04:27 < pflanze> CONFIG_KERNEL_HALF_GIGS=1
04:27 < pflanze> CONFIG_SMP=y
04:27 < green> don't mess with this kernel stack order ;)
04:27 < pflanze> CONFIG_UML_SMP=y
04:28 < pflanze> I don't have smp on this machine.
04:28 < pflanze> Should I change the above?
04:29 < caker> pflanze: check out CONFIG_KERNEL_HALF_GIGS
04:29 < pflanze> (Does uml even run with multiple processors? I thought I've read that this isn't supported with skas.)
04:29 < pflanze> caker: how do you mean check out? comment out?
04:29 < caker> pflanze: mp inside uml only works with tt
04:30 < caker> pflanze: let me paste the help
04:30 < pflanze> ah
04:30 < caker> This determines the amount of address space that UML will allocate for its own, measured in half Gigabyte units. The default is 1. Change this only if you need to boot UML with an unusually large amount of physical memory.
04:30 < pflanze> don't need to
04:30 < caker> change to 2, and get 1gb address space?
04:31 < pflanze> ok I'll try
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04:47 < yeti> shak: alive? reading?
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05:51 < pflanze> ooh
05:51 < pflanze> stilll Kernel virtual memory size shrunk to 418381824 bytes
05:52 < pflanze> even with CONFIG_KERNEL_HALF_GIGS=2
05:54 < pflanze> btw it's still hanging after mounting devfs.
05:54 < pflanze> strace -p shows all of the linux threads waiting in a syscall except one:
05:54 < pflanze> munmap(0xa0a35000, 4096) = 0
05:54 < pflanze> munmap(0xa0a36000, 4096) = 0
05:54 < pflanze> munmap(0xa0a37000, 4096) = 0
05:54 < pflanze> ...
05:54 < pflanze> munmap(0xa0886000, 4096) = 0
05:54 < pflanze> old_mmap(0xa0886000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE|PROT_EXEC, MAP_SHARED|MAP_FIXED, 4, 0xffaf000) = 0xa0886000
05:54 < pflanze> munmap(0xa0887000, 4096) = 0
05:54 < pflanze> ...
05:54 < pflanze> and so on in an endless loop.
05:55 < pflanze> please anyone tell me how they do get uml's work with 512MB memory.
05:57 < pflanze> btw the init=/bin/bash trick I've mentioned yesterday does not work better.
05:57 < pflanze> It's just that about in 9 of 10 cases, uml hangs after mounting devfs, regardless of the init parameter.
05:58 < pflanze> I think it does not hang as frequently if given a small mem parameter.
05:58 < pflanze> What's broken here?
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06:16 < renate> Hi, i got a problem with the installation of RedHat9
06:18 < renate> I followed the instructions at http://linuxhacker.ru/uml/, but the installer doesn't accept the modified stage2 image
06:18 < renate> i tried installation via nfs and ftp
06:18 < renate> the original one is accepted but the installation hangs later
06:19 < renate> can anybody help me?
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10:01 < tanelorn> ho
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10:04 < tanelorn> i've got a question concerning skas mode.. anyone tried to patch 2.4.21?
10:15 < shak> yes
10:15 < shak> I've patched 2.4.21 sucessfully.
10:19 < tanelorn> shak: where in make menuconfig is CONFIG_PROC_MM gone...?
10:19 < tanelorn> *doh*
10:20 < shak> tanelorn: let me just check
10:20 < shak> the bottom of General Setup.
10:21 < tanelorn> yeah. now it is there.
10:22 < tanelorn> i've converted .config-2.4.20->2.4.21 and then applied the patch. no mm compiled, cause make menuconfig threy CONFIG_PROC_MM away. then untared kernel again and the option was gone. now: unpacking kernel, patching kernel, copying config, make menuconfig and hopefully...
10:22 < tanelorn> got totally confused...
10:23 < yeti> ping shak ;-)
10:23 < yeti> hi!
10:23 < tanelorn> how many umls are you running on your machines? and: what for?
10:24 < shak> hi yeti
10:25 < shak> yeti: my machine is dying :(
10:25 < yeti> why?
10:25 < shak> I think I've sorted it
10:25 < shak> the heat
10:25 < yeti> ok
10:25 < yeti> let'er die
10:25 < shak> heh
10:25 < shak> I'll try and debian on that machine asap
10:25 < yeti> one reasonmore to reinstall
10:25 < shak> I've got to pop out in a moment.
10:25 < yeti> can you set up a small system with debian and give me access via ssh?
10:27 < yeti> or maybe my setup could run with nestin gevel 1 as uml?
10:27 < yeti> but i havent tried up to now
10:27 < shak> yep, I should get some time on Sunday
10:27 < shak> if my machine hadn't died today
10:27 < shak> then I'd have done it
10:27 < shak> I have a spare machine in the corner
10:27 < shak> I'll use that.
10:28 < yeti> i can compile things on my smp box... i just would like to set up a debian on a system you can test...
10:29 < shak> that would be great
10:29 < yeti> i think even k6@300 with 128M ram would be enough
10:29 < yeti> 4g hd would be enough too
10:29 < shak> I think I've got a dual PII w/ 40GB HDD
10:30 < yeti> ok... please make only a small partition for the system, some swap and let the rest stay unpartitioned
10:31 < shak> I'll do that
10:31 < yeti> small = 1/2G .. 4G
10:32 < shak> how much swap do you want?
10:32 < yeti> none ;-) i just thought: swap can go on a logical volume ;-) so it is variable ;-)
10:33 < tanelorn> is it possible to limit a specific uml (or uml processes in general) not eating up all cpu?
10:34 < shak> tanelorn: well, there's a CPU cap thing.
10:34 < yeti> jes, search thru the mailinglist for schedulers and google for cpu-cap patch
10:34 < shak> but I'm having some problems with it.
10:34 < shak> it doesnt apply to .21 very cleanly.
10:34 < yeti> i think cap is not the thingy
10:34 < yeti> if no other task runs, why not give all power to the umls?
10:34 < shak> and I'm not sure how it goes with SMP
10:34 < shak> yeti: you can limit each UML
10:35 < shak> so one runs @ no more than 10% CPU.
10:35 < yeti> i want something like fair time distribution
10:35 < yeti> if only one uml wants time, allow 100%
10:35 < yeti> if n are running, divide fair
10:36 < tanelorn> shak: okay, but plain vanilla kernel does not... i've heard about -ac kernels would do, ever tried?
10:36 < shak> I've not tried with -ac on .21 and patching it. I'm going to play about more this evening.
10:37 < tanelorn> you mean taking -ac and patching skas-mode...?
10:38 < shak> trying to take -ac, patch it with skas and patch it with the cpu cap patches
10:40 < tanelorn> i thought -ac does all that scheduling and limiting-stuff?
10:41 < shak> I'm not sure
10:42 < tanelorn> i dont know whether explicitly "your" cap patches are used, but.. im not that kernel-guy to know which is better suited...
10:42 < shak> this is extremely good for capping CPU usage, Im not sure if the -ac tree has anything as effective.
10:43 < tanelorn> okay... i think ill try it...
10:43 < tanelorn> are you running umls "productive"? is it suited for some kind of virtual hosting?
10:44 < shak> I'm setting mine up for running in a commercial environment yes
10:46 < tanelorn> pretty. im going to reboot. cu later. :)
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10:47 < yeti> shak: i mailed a friend in berlin... i wanna restart my linux-on-linux things...
10:47 < yeti> but i concentrate on the shell level for now...
10:47 < yeti> web interfache laaaaaaater
10:47 < shak> ;)
10:48 < yeti> the guy is a former opennuke developer
10:48 < shak> ;)
10:48 < yeti> i hope he has some fun making the portal, website and some docs...
10:49 < yeti> i want to build something more universal than hosting-only...
10:49 < shak> yeah, it should be cool.
10:49 < shak> me too, hosting only is very limited.
10:49 < yeti> i'll use uml as abstaration layer
10:50 < yeti> the real hardware will only get as less software as needed, as much as possible shall run in VMs
10:52 < shak> Im trying to set up a router UML
10:52 < shak> so that it has the external connection to the internet
10:52 < shak> and then the users SSH into the external UML
10:52 < shak> and access their internal one
10:53 < yeti> how do you limit the access to the external interface to the uml?
11:06 < david> hello
11:06 < yeti> hi!
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12:28 < chase> howdy
12:29 < chase> shak: how was this performance-limiting patch called? i cannot remember... %-)
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12:32 < tanelorn> re
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12:59 < shak> tanelorn: er, I can't quite remember the application is called "cap" though
12:59 < shak> if you search the mailing list
13:02 < tanelorn> im search thru kernelnewbies.org, perhaps there ill find something
13:12 < yeti> shak: you have kinda scheme/convention/definition where to put the umls's homes?
13:13 < shak> /mnt/uml/users/ and then the umlid
13:13 < yeti> i shak i really am thinking about NOT makeing a difference between users and umls... ]:-)
13:14 < yeti> parts of the code (tap, lvs, ...) may be usefull for users and other emulators/vms too...
13:14 < yeti> e.g. hercules... s390 emu
13:14 < yeti> i want it as "orthoginal" as posssible
13:15 < shak> ;)
13:15 < shak> I'm just getting this machine back on its feet
13:15 < shak> then I'm going to have another go at uml_switch
13:15 < yeti> i dont use hardcoded paths, i use ~or $HOME ;-)
13:16 < yeti> i hink i'll introduce a /etc/taptab ;-)
13:16 < yeti> or some equivalent structure
13:16 < shak> ;)
13:17 < yeti> up to now noone could tell me how to define an interface without an ipaddress in /etc/network/interfaces
13:17 < yeti> (debian specific)
13:17 < yeti> i'd love to keep them in that file but "it doesnt fit"
13:24 < david> yeti: er,give it an IP of 0.0.0.0
13:25 < yeti> hmmm... think i tried but it complained... maybe the mask? i'll retry...
13:27 < david> if the IP is 0.0.0.0, who cares about hte netmask
13:29 < shak> right, I fixed that.
13:29 < shak> vim can be a hazard
13:29 < shak> if you forget to press escape before :wq! then you end up with problems while editing kernel files.
13:30 < yeti> david: doesnt work
13:30 < david> yeti: no idea then - google for it
13:30 < yeti> david: no netmask doesnt fit debians interfaces definition
13:31 < yeti> david: 0.0.0.0 and 255.255.255.255 give errors
13:32 < yeti> i'll look at that later
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14:02 < alt> UML rocks!!!! <
14:03 < shak> UML does rock
14:03 < alt> it's making testing 100 times easier :)
14:03 < alt> no... 1000 times!
14:03 < yeti> yep
14:04 < yeti> i'm trashing and reinstalling debian umls in below a minute
14:04 < yeti> ;-)
14:04 < alt> hee hee
14:04 < alt> I keep a reference
14:04 < yeti> without cow files!
14:04 < alt> yeah, I should use those
14:04 < yeti> no
14:04 < alt> no?
14:04 < yeti> at least not always
14:04 < alt> okay
14:05 < yeti> i didnt try to cow a real device
14:05 < alt> I've just been doing "cp -r UML-REF NEW-UML"
14:05 < yeti> i prefer my umls' filesystems on logical volumes of "the carrier system"
14:06 < alt> I could try that too
14:06 < yeti> one pass less thru fs code
14:06 < yeti> easy to admin
14:06 < alt> I wonder if I have a spare drive to do that on
14:07 < alt> geez... I have a 20GB drive on that machine I'm not using 8)
14:08 < yeti> i'm thinking of putting the hosts fses and all umls fses in lvs
14:08 < yeti> google for "partition alias"
14:08 < alt> hmm.. and I thought I had data on that drive too :\
14:09 < yeti> a bit tricky but that would make the host and his umls more equivalent... maybe later i even could boot one of the systems as real one and the others as umls... independently of which one is the real one ;-)
14:10 < alt> ooh.. don't say that :)
14:10 * alt drools
14:10 < yeti> the missing part is booting logical volumes without ramdisk...
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14:11 < yeti> "partition alias" does the trick
14:11 < yeti> a faked(?) partition entry for a LV
14:12 < alt> hmm... I don't think DMA is enabled on that machine either
14:12 < alt> Disk I/O seems slow
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14:46 < tanelorn> yeti: im not sure whether i understood you right, you mean "partition alias" is a better solution than cow filesystems?
14:52 < yeti> no
14:53 < yeti> i like uml fs-es on logical volumes
14:53 < yeti> there i have snapshot volumes if needed... so i dont see why i should use a cow file
14:54 < yeti> the "partition alias" comes into the game from the idea of having all fs-es, even the host ones, so uncluding his boot and root on lvs too...
14:55 < yeti> that partition alias trick will make a ramdisk to boot an entirely lv based system unnecesary
14:55 < tanelorn> i see...
14:56 < tanelorn> i think logical volumes are very nice for umls... are ext3/reiser/xfs resizeable?
14:58 < green> ext3 and reiser are resizeable. reiserfs can even be grown online
14:58 < green> not sure about xfs
14:58 < BB> green hmm online growing sounds nice
14:58 < green> the problem with reiserfs is it is not recommended to have reiserfs images on reiserfs filesystem
15:00 < shak> hrm
15:00 < shak> when I've made my bridge in UML, when I come to ifconfig the eth0 inside the UML I get SIOCSIFFLAGS: Device or resource busy
15:01 < shak> I mean, when I've made the bridge outside of the UML
15:01 < david> shak: maybe something is using the tap device already
15:01 < yeti> i lost hundrets of Gigs brcause of reiserfs
15:01 < shak> good point, I'll make a new tap device,
15:01 < shak> now I see why you have the nicely named tap devices
15:01 < shak> makes sense
15:01 < BB> http://www.charleslamb.co.uk/cgi-bin/details.cgi?propid=115
15:01 < green> shak: that might happen with any fs, and even if you do not use any fs at all
15:01 < BB> doh
15:02 < shak> was that aimed at me green ?
15:02 < shak> or yeti?
15:02 < green> shak: nope, it was foer yeti ;)
15:02 < shak> I guessed as much
15:03 < shak> david: am I meant to boot my UMLs with eth0=tuntap,tap1 for this?
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15:03 < tanelorn> btw. are your working with tun or tap?
15:04 < shak> oh, I have it ;)
15:04 < shak> superb, thanks david
15:04 < shak> now onwards and upwards
15:04 < shak> a quick script so I dont ever have to do that again
15:07 < yeti> shak: spent some time on not so quick scripts ;-)
15:08 < yeti> d
15:08 < shak> there's no need, I just need a script that sets up the bridge
15:08 < shak> I have a startuml one for starting the UMLs, a startnetwork inside my UMLs (temporary) and a mkbridge one for starting the bridge
15:09 < yeti> too complicated
15:10 < yeti> but that will be easier when you set up a system to concentrate on this stuff... then it can start the bridge at boot... and so on
15:10 < shak> :)
15:10 < shak> Ive got to find a hard disk for that system, someone has nicked the one that I thought was there
15:10 < yeti> hmmmm
15:12 < yeti> drop me a line if you cant set up that box... then i'll permute some hardware here...
15:12 < shak> heh, where are you? England?
15:12 < yeti> .de
15:12 < shak> ah, .uk here
15:13 < yeti> i can set up something here
15:13 < shak> 7I should be fine, I just need to nick the HDD back
15:14 < yeti> but i only have at max a k6-2@500 with only 4g HD AND 192 m ram left. all other boxes carry umls too but have additional tasks
15:14 < shak> I'll make it up over this week/weekend
15:14 * BB says hi to the fellow uk'er ;)
15:14 < shak> ello BB
15:14 < shak> s/ello/hello
15:14 < shak> you anywhere near York?
15:14 < BB> newcastle
15:15 < shak> because there's that talk this weekend
15:15 < shak> at the brewery
15:15 < shak> in York
15:15 < BB> yeah i know
15:15 < shak> I can't make it
15:15 < shak> I'm very annoyed
15:15 < BB> was thinking about it, but i've got a job on all day sat
15:15 < shak> me too, I'm in London (telehouse docklands) for the day
15:15 < BB> so basicaly if i go, i have to drive which means no beer
15:15 < shak> :(
15:15 < shak> are you going to LinuxUserExpo next week?
15:16 * tanelorn ist from .de, too :)
15:16 < shak> :)
15:19 < tanelorn> is swap necessary for umls? i dont think so, the host cares for this, doesnt it?
15:21 < shak> I haven't got any
15:23 < tanelorn> i think it doesnt make sense here... :)
15:24 < BB> shak i'm not going, mid week isnt a good time with work
15:25 < shak> I'm taking a day off
15:25 < shak> we're going on Thursday
15:25 < shak> to hear Alan Cox
15:25 < BB> heh
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15:29 < shak> gah, I messed up there
15:29 < shak> closed my screen instead of detaching it
15:36 < tanelorn> what was the difference between tun and tap devices?
15:38 < david> tun is IP only
15:39 < david> tap is ethernet
15:39 < tanelorn> what does tun/tap abbreviate? i _always_ mix them. _always_.
15:39 < tanelorn> are there any mnemonics for? %-)
15:40 < tanelorn> okay. if ip is all i need, there is no reason to choose tap..?
15:40 < david> UML doesn't support tun
15:40 < david> so you have to use tap
15:41 < shak> I think I might set up an SNMP daemon now
15:41 < tanelorn> sure...? okay...
15:41 < david> tanelorn: er, yes
15:41 * shak goes to find some coke first
15:57 < tanelorn> david: how to tun and tap devs differ? if i configure a tunctl -t tun0 or tunctl -t tap0, are they different kinds of devs...?
15:57 < tanelorn> or just different names for tap-devs?
16:00 < BB> just different names, you could do tunctl -t boat0
16:01 < tanelorn> hehe
16:01 < tanelorn> how do i get tun-devs?
16:02 < BB> hrm no idea ;)
16:03 < tanelorn> why is this tool called tunctl when it produces tap-devices? =)
16:04 < BB> heh
16:04 < BB> i have no idea
16:05 < tanelorn> .oO( boat0 is a pretty idea. i could use customer-identifications ;)
16:17 < tanelorn> is it ay to get this message in my uml in dmesg "dev_ip_addr - device not assigned an IP address" ?
16:44 * BB moo's
16:44 < shak> does anyone have an snmp daemon runnng?
16:44 < shak> moo BB.
16:45 < shak> Im just wondering which one to install
16:46 < BB> I have ucd-snmp
16:47 < shak> :)
16:47 < shak> is sourceforge down for you?
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17:18 < tanelorn> is chosing tuntap as network a wise decision? it seems... strange to me. ive got one uml running and i am not able to nmap my uml....
17:19 < DnsInfector> you should get timing error
17:19 < DnsInfector> but beeing able to nmap your host
17:19 < DnsInfector> which nmap are U using ?
17:20 < tanelorn> mmmh. maybee. waiting as nmaping a 33.6k modem user...
17:20 < tanelorn> nmap-3.27-r1
17:20 < DnsInfector> namap -v -v -v
17:20 < DnsInfector> you should get results faster
17:20 < DnsInfector> at least in a more interactive way
17:20 < tanelorn> shortly after stoping nmap i couldnt even ping that machine. i had to do a ping from the uml first. then it worked.
17:21 < DnsInfector> i used to test ip-personnality with UML and had not a single pb to nmap it
17:21 < DnsInfector> have you check your routing
17:21 < DnsInfector> ?
17:21 < tanelorn> "RTTVAR has grown to over 2.3 seconds, decreasing to 2.0"
17:21 < tanelorn> i have. :)
17:21 < DnsInfector> yes i have this kind of message too
17:22 < DnsInfector> but nmaping is correct isn't it ?
17:24 < tanelorn> okay. i dont know. stopped running and started it over now.
17:26 < tanelorn> ...still..running...
17:30 < tanelorn> finally finished.
17:30 < tanelorn> scanned in 306.273 seconds
17:30 < tanelorn> results seem to be okay
17:31 < tanelorn> superior. :(
17:32 < tanelorn> from a nearby linux i start pinging my uml, which is okay. then i nmap my uml from the host and the pings get corrupted.
17:34 < david> tanelorn: you don't make a tun device - UML doesn't use tun devices
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17:38 < shak> hrm
17:38 < shak> mrtg isnt liking this
17:39 < shak> or snmpd isnt set up properly
17:39 * shak goes back to poke it
17:40 * DnsInfector_ is fighting with zebra
17:41 * shak gets out the garlic
17:41 < shak> zebra is _evil_
17:41 < tanelorn> shak: why..?
17:41 < DnsInfector_> that's a big animal
17:41 < shak> tanelorn: it just is, far too complex unless you have loads of time.
17:42 < tanelorn> shak: what do you want to achieve?
17:42 < DnsInfector_> and it's poorly documented
17:42 < shak> very poorly.
17:42 < DnsInfector_> and has few howtos
17:42 < shak> tanelorn: nothing, I ended up using something else
17:42 * tanelorn nods
17:42 < shak> no Im trying to poke snmpd
17:42 < tanelorn> shak: hehe...
17:42 < tanelorn> shak: okay. what did you want to do?
17:43 < shak> well, some dynamic routing for a client
17:43 < DnsInfector_> me that's still my ipv6 pb
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17:43 < DnsInfector_> with the UML that doesn't take the right prefix
17:44 < tanelorn> shak: oh no. you tried _to route dynamically_ using zebra!?
17:44 < shak> tanelorn: yes.
17:45 < DnsInfector_> tanelorn: ipv4 or ipv6 ?
17:45 < DnsInfector_> tanelorn: i'm interested too
17:49 < tanelorn> tanelorn: ipv4
17:50 < tanelorn> shak: dont say it too loud, perhaps the spanish inquisition is near.. *psccht*
17:50 < shak> oh no, not the spanish inquisition
17:50 * shak loves Monty Python
17:52 < alt> Python!!!!
17:53 < shak> right
17:53 < alt> We're the knights of the round table...
17:53 < alt> hee hee :)
17:53 < shak> mrtg appears to be working
17:53 < shak> ;)
17:53 < alt> NI!
17:53 < alt> okay guys... I need help
17:53 < alt> I have the following choices for filesystem
17:53 < alt> ext2, JFS and Reiser
17:53 < alt> I'm running a Mailserver using Maildir
17:53 < alt> any suggestions?
17:53 < shak> personally, I'm a reiser an
17:53 < shak> s/an/fan
17:55 < tanelorn> :)
17:55 < alt> okay, that's one for reiser and "ext3, but you don't have it, so reiser"
17:57 < alt> 2 for ""ext3, but you don't have it, so reiser"
18:01 < alt> I'm getting a lot of votes for ext3 in #cola
18:01 < shak> I dont really like ext3
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18:17 < silug> ext3 has the distinct advantage of being hammered on by 1e666 people
18:20 < alt> hee hee
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21:33 < alt> just so everyone knows, the skas3 patch doesn't seem to cause problems in 2.4.21
21:33 < alt> it's probably safe to use
21:33 < yeti> seems so here too
21:33 < alt> (haven't tested it enough)
21:34 < alt> yeti: glad someone agrees with me :)
21:36 < yeti> btw... tail merging would be fine for a maildir mailserver...
21:36 < alt> tail merging?
21:36 < yeti> so reiser has a space advantage over ext(2|3)
21:36 < alt> oh
21:36 < alt> hmmm
21:36 < alt> well, nothing is set in stone yet anyhoe
21:37 < alt> anyhow
21:37 < yeti> but ext2/3 is extremely stable
21:37 < yeti> and you can convert ext 2<->3
21:37 < alt> I have ext3 installed on it ATM
21:37 < alt> I'm thinking ReiserFS still tho
21:38 < yeti> i donnow about tail-merging in jfs, xfs...
21:38 < alt> hmmm... I get the feeling that the Compaq1600 and 1200 are pretty similar servers
21:38 < yeti> tail-merging is using the space behind the end-of-file up to the end of block for other files
21:38 < alt> okay
21:39 < alt> that's a nice trick
21:39 < yeti> maybe xfs/jfs can do that too... and maybe there is a patch for ext2/3...
21:40 < yeti> i'm not that far...
21:40 < yeti> such questions dont come up in my "play net at home"
21:40 < alt> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3031123190&category=11212
21:41 < yeti> and @work i always favour stability over other aspects, i am verrrrrrry conservative therte
21:41 < alt> well, this is a work box
21:41 < alt> so it needs to be stable
21:43 < yeti> i need to find something to male the bridge less verbose... some of my logfiles are >100m now...
21:43 < yeti> but it is 3:42am here... think this is an after sleep item ;-)
21:43 < alt> hee hee
21:43 < alt> ttyl then
21:44 < yeti> i'll be back soon...
21:44 < yeti> have fun!
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23:54 < david> hello
23:56 < alt> hi
23:56 < tarcan> hi
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