--- Day changed --- Log opened Mon Aug 18 00:00:01 2003 00:30 -!- desaster [~desaster@dsl-jklgw1o22.dial.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21 -!- desaster [~desaster@dsl-jklgw1o22.dial.inet.fi] has joined #uml 02:45 -!- Aetherios [~jeff@rrcs-west-24-199-13-10.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Computer going to sleep...] 03:11 -!- crash3m [~crash3m@67.10.232.112] has quit [Quit: ctrl+alt+DIE WINDOWS DIE!!] 03:31 -!- G2_ [~G2@193.195.148.66] has joined #uml 04:19 -!- frediz [~frediz@81.50.92.56] has joined #uml 04:24 -!- pirlouit [~peter@64.162.195.202] has quit [Quit: Time to frag!] 04:30 -!- mortck [~spam@pD9551275.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #uml 04:47 -!- Michael2 [~chatzilla@algedi.dur.ac.uk] has joined #uml 05:23 < G2_> morning 05:44 -!- green [green@217.76.32.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 488 seconds] 06:02 -!- green [green@217.76.32.60] has joined #uml 06:11 -!- frediz [~frediz@81.50.92.56] has quit [Quit: miam crunch] 06:28 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.177] has joined #uml 06:29 -!- rob [~rob@212.69.225.18] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 06:31 -!- G2_ [~G2@193.195.148.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:38 -!- Jon [~jon@194.196.110.14] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:38 -!- dilinger [irc@207.99.115.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 488 seconds] 06:38 -!- Jon [~jon@194.196.110.14] has joined #uml 06:39 -!- dilinger [irc@sloth.voxel.net] has joined #uml 06:40 -!- G2_ [~G2@193.195.148.66] has joined #uml 06:46 -!- Suidakro [gvdjk@99.Red-80-26-36.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #uml 06:46 -!- ticallion [~ticallion@213.175.160.177] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:46 < Suidakro> hi, anyb who has used kernel modules with UML? I cant to use them :_( 07:01 -!- Suidakro [gvdjk@99.Red-80-26-36.pooles.rima-tde.net] has left #uml [] 07:22 -!- frediz [~frediz@ALyon-209-1-5-178.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #uml 07:28 -!- G2_ [~G2@193.195.148.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:50 -!- green [green@217.76.32.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 488 seconds] 08:40 -!- G2_ [~G2@193.195.148.66] has joined #uml 08:48 -!- green [green@217.76.32.60] has joined #uml 09:04 < Michael2> Has anyone got a kernel with the 2.6 test3 UML patch to run? Mine keeps crashing after mounting ext3 read only, though this is the first 2.6 UML I have tried so I could be doing something stupid. 09:10 -!- QSECOFR [~rocky@lab.atipa.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 501 seconds] 09:25 -!- Rygel [~wir@217.82.79.126] has joined #uml 09:25 < Rygel> Hi there 09:25 < Rygel> <- is looking for a ready-to-go root_fs with redhat 8 or redhat 9 - someone here with a URL ? ;) 09:26 < Michael2> How about http://www.stearns.org/uml-root/ ? 09:27 < Rygel> That's the one known from usermodelinux.org? 09:27 < Rygel> What file system does this thingy have, I can't mount it :( 09:29 < Michael2> I presume ext2 or ext3, though I haven't used it myself. 09:30 < Rygel> I'll try - maybe the other one was corrupted. Thank you. You don't know of other sources for these fs? 09:36 < Michael2> No. 09:37 < Rygel> Pity :) 09:37 < Rygel> +t 09:50 -!- mortck [~spam@pD9551275.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 501 seconds] 10:02 -!- jax-work [~computer_@148.100.220.227] has joined #uml 10:09 -!- silug [~steve@64.240.156.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 490 seconds] 10:16 -!- mortck [~spam@pD9551275.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #uml 10:21 < frediz> Huh ? second time I lose my AV flag in "Talk Channel v.2.0.31.55 only" and subs chan on public server 1... what's happening ? 10:22 < frediz> lol ... sorry guys 10:22 < frediz> wrong chan 11:10 -!- silug [~steve@64.240.156.225] has joined #uml 11:26 -!- coryb [~cory@24.124.36.198] has quit [Quit: bbiab] 11:28 -!- Bomull [~Sam@217.10.109.96] has joined #uml 11:41 < mortck> i am having some trouble with creating a tun device on debian 3.0 11:42 < mortck> tunctl -u mck gives back: opening tun device: No such file or directory 11:46 < Rygel> is tun/tap installed on your machine? 11:46 -!- G2_ [~G2@193.195.148.66] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 11:49 < Michael2> And is the tun.o module loaded? 12:12 -!- coryb [~cory@129.237.123.31] has joined #uml 12:28 < wojci> mortck: What is the output of "ls -la /dev/net/tun" ? 12:30 < Rygel> <- is still searching for a red hat 8 or 9 file system *sigh* 12:33 -!- silug [~steve@64.240.156.225] has quit [Ping timeout: 488 seconds] 12:33 < mortck> tun.o is loaded 12:36 < mortck> ls -la /dev/net/tun returns no such file or directory 12:36 < wojci> mortck: There is your problem then. 12:36 < mortck> hmm 12:37 < mortck> i thought this dir was created automatically? 12:37 < mortck> wojci what shall i do then? 12:37 < wojci> wojci@netpc:~$ grep "tun" /dev/MAKEDEV 12:37 < wojci> tun) 12:37 < wojci> makedev net/tun c 10 200 $system 12:37 < wojci> makedev vttuner c $major 16 $video 12:38 < mortck> a grep on my machine only returns the last line 12:39 < wojci> Oh .. that was from a debian testing box. 12:39 -!- Michael2 [~chatzilla@algedi.dur.ac.uk] has quit [] 12:40 < mortck> hmm, i do run 3.0 stable 12:40 < wojci> 'makedev net/tun c 10 200' should do it, I think. Just remember to change the owner/permissions, and to create /dev/net. 12:42 -!- pirlouit [~peter@64.162.195.202] has joined #uml 12:43 < mortck> funny, dselect says that makedev is installed but i cannot find the executable 12:44 < mortck> well, the first command that is written in bold letters 12:44 < mortck> err, capital letters 12:45 < mortck> MAKEDEV net/tun c 10 200 returns: /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to mak device "net/tun" 12:47 -!- Aetherios [~jeff@robocop.valueclick.com] has joined #uml 12:50 < wojci> Sorry for the wrong info .. makedev is a function from /sbin/MAKEDEV :/ 12:50 < wojci> It runs mknod. 12:51 < wojci> So read the man page for mknod, and figure what arguments to feed it. 12:51 < mortck> well, i searched /dev/MAKEDEV 12:52 < mortck> and i foud out that a module called netlink creates tap devices 12:57 < mortck> a /dev/MAKEDEV update creates tap0 to tap15 in /dev 12:58 < mortck> tunctl -u mck -t tap0 still gives back "opening tun device: No such file or directory" 13:05 -!- Bomull [~Sam@217.10.109.96] has quit [] 13:07 < Aetherios> mortck: do you have tuntap support enabled in your kernel? 13:07 < Aetherios> (your host kernel, not your uml kernel) 13:08 < mortck> Aetherios as i do have a tun module in /lib/modules i guess so 13:08 < mortck> it is a debian kernel for i686 13:09 < Aetherios> have you inserted the module? 13:09 < Aetherios> modprobe tuntap i think it is 13:09 < mortck> cannot be located 13:09 < Aetherios> whats the name of the module in /lib/modules 13:09 < mortck> tun.o 13:09 < Aetherios> modprobe tun 13:09 < mortck> is already loaded 13:10 < Rygel> cu :)( 13:10 -!- Rygel [~wir@217.82.79.126] has quit [] 13:13 < mortck> when i do "modprobe tun" i get "Universal TUN/TAP device driver 1.4. (c)1999-2001 Maxim Kr..." 13:14 < Aetherios> then do tunctl -u mck 13:14 < mortck> "opening tun device: No such file or directory" 13:14 < mortck> that is. 13:18 < Aetherios> 'ls -l /dev/net/tun' 13:19 < mortck> no such file or directory 13:19 < Aetherios> you running devfs? 13:20 < mortck> ähm, what is that? 13:21 -!- frediz [~frediz@ALyon-209-1-5-178.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: *crunch* time] 13:25 < mortck> got it 13:25 < mortck> i had to do manually "mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200" 14:10 < mortck> is it true that the .cow file will not grow bigger than the root_fs file? 14:23 -!- Michael_ [~chatzilla@host213-122-201-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #uml 14:46 -!- Michael_ [~chatzilla@host213-122-201-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has quit [] 14:48 -!- wojci [~wojci@62.107.97.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 488 seconds] 14:55 -!- mistral [mistral@212.159.71.212] has joined #uml 15:01 -!- ElectricElf [~david@elf.noc.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:03 -!- frediz [~frediz@ALyon-209-1-25-104.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #uml 15:07 -!- mistral [mistral@212.159.71.212] has quit [Ping timeout: 490 seconds] 15:39 -!- spenne [~spenneb@240.27.204.212.sr1.DTM1.ip.versanet.de] has joined #uml 16:12 -!- G2 [~G@212.159.59.85] has joined #uml 16:14 -!- spenne [~spenneb@240.27.204.212.sr1.DTM1.ip.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 16:21 -!- mortck [~spam@pD9551275.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:24 -!- mortck [~spam@217.85.18.117] has joined #uml 16:29 -!- jax-work [~computer_@148.100.220.227] has quit [Quit: going home] 16:54 -!- mortck [~spam@217.85.18.117] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 17:15 -!- arthur [~arthur@adsl-64-171-188-145.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16 -!- arthur [~arthur@adsl-64-171-188-145.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #uml 17:17 -!- solarce [~solarce@209.16.139.6] has joined #uml 17:27 -!- G2 [~G@212.159.59.85] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 17:47 < BB> i think jeff is on a roll 18:07 -!- frediz [~frediz@ALyon-209-1-25-104.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: pwet] 18:15 -!- anon [~anon@200.67.146.73] has joined #uml 18:17 -!- kervel [~kervel@bones.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be] has joined #uml 18:17 -!- Umler [~anon@dsl-200-67-146-73.prodigy.net.mx] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18 < kervel> someone awake ? i read i need tmpfs on the host to run uml well, but i don't discover any files in /tmp (not using tmpfs right now) 18:19 < kervel> and another question: a lot of people are already using uml for light stuff, but i'd like to use it for 'heavy' stuff (j2ee hosting, ...). would that be stupid ? 18:25 -!- Umler [~anon@200.67.146.73] has joined #uml 18:29 < Getty> yeah 18:30 < Getty> and about TMP: the uml ramfiles don't have a filename they are not shown, thereare only used inodes 18:30 -!- anon [~anon@200.67.146.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 490 seconds] 18:36 < kervel> Getty ah thanks 18:36 < kervel> Getty but tmpfs is still a must i understand 18:37 < kervel> and the 'yeah' is that an answer to my 'would that be stupid ?' 18:37 < kervel> (and if so, why ?) 18:37 < Getty> you lose lots of power 18:37 < Getty> its only cool if you need lots of security and you wanna pay for this with power and performance 18:38 < kervel> Getty i tought you only loose 10% or something when you enable skas 18:38 < Getty> tmpfs gives you much more performance :) 18:38 < Getty> but with skas you lose the perfect security aspect 18:38 < Getty> and as far as i know its a little more ;) 18:38 < kervel> i'd like to mount my tmpfs somewhere else than /tmp 18:39 < Getty> yeah wait.... 18:39 < kervel> Getty i tought skas was just a lot safer 18:39 < kervel> (its mentioned on the website) 18:39 < kervel> (i tought) 18:39 < kervel> because without skas, userspace can see kernelspace 18:41 < Getty> http://www.raudssus.de/uml/ 18:41 < Getty> but anyway.. its not very useful 18:41 < Getty> for bigger things 18:41 < Getty> if its use one system fully anyway 18:42 < kervel> aha, thanks for that raudssus link, you apparently just have to set $TMP 18:42 < Getty> yeah 18:42 < Getty> and you have hint how you can use tmpfs 18:42 < kervel> Getty hm, i don't know. without skas i tried it and i tought it was not very usefull 18:42 < kervel> but now i patched my kernel, and i'm test-driving coldfusion MX on it, not exactly a light app 18:43 < kervel> and it works fine (even without tmpfs) 18:43 < Getty> test it, use it ;) 18:44 < Getty> btw, if you need cool hostname, i have uml.cx ;) 18:45 < kervel> :) and i have 192.168.0.x addresses for the moment :) 18:45 < kervel> how are you using uml ? 18:46 < kervel> light stuff i guess 18:46 < Getty> nothing useful 18:46 < Getty> i know it exist 18:46 < Getty> and i will use it when i need it ;) 18:46 < Getty> at the moment i have one "testuml" running 18:46 < Getty> www.uml.cx (shadow.raudssus.de) 18:46 < kervel> in no-skas mode ? 18:46 < Getty> yes 18:46 < kervel> you really should try skas mode then 18:47 < Getty> yeah someday... 18:47 < kervel> it makes a _HUGE_ difference, really 18:47 < Getty> but its not the 100percent security aspect 18:47 < Getty> if you know what i mean 18:47 < Getty> if the uml has more power in the host kernel its a security hole again 18:48 < kervel> ah no, skas just makes it possible for processes to modify the vm mappings of other processes IF they have the right permissions 18:48 < kervel> and that means more security: without skas a bad-behaving program can read (and maybe even write - don't know for sure) kernel memory... 18:49 < Getty> without skas its just a usertask 18:49 < kervel> http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/skas.html 18:49 < kervel> with skas it is just a usertask too .. 18:49 < Getty> with a patch in the host kernel, what if skas has a security hole? 18:49 < kervel> well, the skas patch is pretty simple 18:49 < kervel> so it is possible that it has a security hole 18:50 < kervel> but chances are not so big 18:50 < Getty> yeahof course 18:50 < kervel> so if you don't care about security in your uml (and that means: somebody who broke in your uml can break out it and get local shell access on the host) 18:50 < Getty> i care ;) 18:51 < kervel> then run skas :) 18:51 < Getty> hehehehe 18:51 < kervel> because in tt mode the uml doesn't even try to be secur 18:51 < kervel> e 18:51 < Getty> mh ;) 18:53 < kervel> i'm rebooting my uml's to use the tmpfs stuff now 18:57 < kervel> Getty another question: when you do 'df' on your tmpfs filesystem, do you see extra usage ? 18:57 < Getty> yes 18:57 < kervel> aha 18:57 < kervel> good 18:57 < kervel> i should see it too then 18:57 < Getty> yes 18:57 < Getty> do u use my scripts? ;) 19:00 < kervel> well i'm having a look 19:00 < kervel> but i'm using something homegrown python now 19:00 -!- coryb [~cory@129.237.123.31] has quit [Quit: hasta luego] 19:00 < kervel> btw, another question 19:01 < kervel> how do you configure your inittab so it does not hang when trying to access the console 19:02 < Getty> mh look at my config i have console and rest /dev/null 19:02 < kervel> i use con0=fd:0,fd:1 19:02 < kervel> and the rest null too 19:02 < Getty> it never worked with fd:0,fd:1 for me 19:02 < kervel> but i always have to modify my /etc/inittab to remove all the gettys on all (non-existing) virtual consoles otherwise system hangs when they start 19:03 < kervel> Getty and what does pty do ? 19:03 < Getty> mh... wait i look at my 19:03 < Aetherios> kervel: are ya using devfs inside? 19:03 < kervel> Aetherios nope 19:03 < Getty> its for "screen /dev/pty0" 19:03 < kervel> Getty cool 19:03 < Getty> not really 19:03 < Getty> its random number style ;) 19:03 < Getty> "tty guessing" 19:03 < kervel> Getty can't you specify a tty ? 19:04 < Getty> exactly 19:04 < kervel> or get the tty information from mconsole 19:04 < Getty> that could be possible i don't know 19:04 < Getty> but anyway i only ssh to the hosts 19:04 < Getty> i only use getty on tty1 19:05 < kervel> yeah me too, because for some reason control-C and stuff like that doesn't work when i'm logged in via the console 19:05 < Getty> yeah screen with the pty worked best for me 19:05 < Getty> and tcp worked too :) 19:05 < Getty> its also good way 19:05 < kervel> thats verry annoying when you typed ping bblabla to test the network (that doesn't work yet) and then you figure out that ping keeps running forever without control-C 19:06 < Getty> very funny to telnet blabla 8002 and get login: ;) 19:06 < Getty> "remembering time" in someway ;) 19:06 < kervel> heh indeed 19:06 < Getty> but its not a telnetd 19:07 < Getty> i wanted to make an ssh daemon 19:07 < kervel> and what happens when 2 persons telnet in at the same time 19:07 < Getty> as gateway to the telnet consoles of the servers 19:07 < Getty> i think i can get performance on that when i don't run sshd 19:07 < Getty> as far as i know its not possible 19:07 < kervel> hm ... how do you do the ssh gateway ? 19:07 < kervel> is openssh extensible for stuff like that ? 19:08 < Getty> a useraccount on ssh which opens a "interface" where you choose the console you wanna connect to 19:08 < kervel> ah ok 19:08 < Getty> i don't need encryption between host and uml 19:08 < Getty> so its enough to use sshd of host 19:08 < kervel> no offcourse 19:08 < Getty> think about it 19:08 < kervel> but you need to prevent 2 users using the same console at a time 19:08 < kervel> because i guess weird things happen then 19:08 < Getty> if you have 4-5 umls 19:08 < Getty> and don't need sshd 19:09 < Getty> kervel: thats can be managed with the gate 19:09 < Getty> kervel: you will use a port for any tty 19:09 < Getty> lets say you open 6 19:09 < Getty> and anyway you know, ssh isn't used by lots of people on a host in that time we live ;) 19:09 < kervel> heh 19:10 < Getty> when i do finger i'm always alone ;) 19:10 < kervel> Getty did you play with umld ? 19:10 < Getty> umld? 19:10 < Getty> ah no 19:10 < kervel> yeah 19:10 < Getty> never thought about that 19:10 < Getty> why i need some "extra" thing on that? 19:10 < Getty> i configure the umls start them and end 19:10 < kervel> its a start for a webinterface for managing uml's.. very cool 19:10 < Getty> yeah, but think about it 19:10 < Getty> you will not have more then 10 umls on a host 19:10 < kervel> click-click i have another uml 19:11 < Getty> and you need for that a manager? 19:11 < Getty> come on ) 19:11 < kervel> and click-click that uml hung so i rebooted it 19:11 < Getty> ;) 19:11 < kervel> Getty well, i'm thinking about doing professional stuff with uml 19:11 < Getty> yeah but even on that you not need much 19:11 < Getty> depending on what you want 19:12 < kervel> Getty and believe me, some people just don't want to learn how to ssh to a box to type weird stuff.. they want to click a button. and they're not even stupid people, they just have better things to do 19:12 < Getty> yeah i know, but who manages the UMLs? 19:12 < Getty> me or the people who do better things? 19:12 < kervel> i want a web-based iface for adding umls (make a rootfs with that application server, that webserver , that db server on it) 19:12 < Getty> yeah, and you are the guy who configures the server 19:12 < kervel> Getty me, but when i'm asleep and the server crashes not me 19:13 < Getty> i'm awake 24h for my servers ;) 19:13 < Getty> since 5 years a live as 24h emergency service 19:13 < Getty> a life 19:13 < kervel> Getty and also not me when i'm @ school or when i'm unavailable for some reason and they need another uml to test stuff quickly 19:13 < kervel> Getty hehe 19:13 < Getty> hehe ok 19:13 < Getty> i'm on other run ;) 19:13 < Getty> they need me anyway 19:13 < Getty> i don't need it 19:14 < kervel> hehe 19:14 < Getty> i don't do it 19:14 < Getty> how long you are working in IT? 19:14 < kervel> but admit it would be cool to just click your uml together like you are shopping in an e-commerce shop, and then boot it with one click, inspect its validity with another click and shutdown it with another click 19:15 < Getty> yeah and think about the work to get this to run ;) 19:15 < kervel> Getty i'm a student, and i'm doing a student job on a webhosting company. and i have made this proposal, and if the proposal is bad it will cost me :) 19:15 < kervel> Getty work already has been done, checkout umld 19:16 < kervel> Getty we now have a complete mess on our hosting servers: application server X leaks memory and makes application server Y crash because of out of memory 19:16 < Getty> you still not answered my question ;) 19:16 < kervel> and we see a box has not enough memory but since we're running closed source application server stuff we cannot even see what application is generating the load 19:17 < kervel> so i'd gladly sacrifice some 'power' to be able to separate applications from each other in a very clean way: uml 19:17 < Getty> the other power would be lots of systems ;) 19:17 < kervel> also you get the free atomic backups (thats really WOW because now we are doing backups with dirty scripts that sometimes work) 19:17 < Getty> one of our client is a big broadband isp and cable company 19:17 < kervel> Getty yeah , but uml can save us money 19:17 < Getty> yeah of course 19:18 < Getty> i understand you :) 19:18 < Getty> but think about me ;) 19:18 < kervel> and you get the fact you can move an uml from an overloaded server to a new server like nothing 19:18 < kervel> hehe :) 19:18 < Getty> i know uml since 3 months 19:18 < kervel> me too :) 19:18 < Getty> and i still have one test uml running 19:18 < Getty> "think about it" 19:18 < kervel> i didn't do a lot of testing neither, i should do more, definately 19:19 < kervel> so i'm starting to move several smaller and bigger thigns to uml now to see if it works out 19:19 < Getty> shadow:/etc# last 19:19 < Getty> root pts/0 hydra.mzrz.net Mon Aug 18 23:03 still logged in 19:19 < Getty> torsten pts/0 nematoda.d.metaz Mon Aug 18 22:38 - 22:38 (00:00) 19:19 < Getty> torsten ftpd16954 dsl-082-082-103- Wed Aug 13 17:56 - 17:56 (00:00) 19:19 < Getty> 5 days no login wow ;) 19:19 < kervel> @ the uml ? 19:19 < Getty> jo 19:20 < kervel> i hope you trust that torsten guy :p 19:20 < Getty> its me ;) 19:20 -!- anon [~anon@dsl-200-67-146-73.prodigy.net.mx] has joined #uml 19:20 < kervel> ah, then it should be pretty safe :) 19:20 < Getty> of course 19:21 < Getty> i don't need security very much 19:21 < Getty> i have stupid clients, i do all "shell work" for then 19:21 -!- anon [~anon@dsl-200-67-146-73.prodigy.net.mx] has quit [Client Quit] 19:21 < Getty> noone has a ssh account somewhere 19:21 -!- anon [~anon@dsl-200-67-146-73.prodigy.net.mx] has joined #uml 19:21 < kervel> ah ok 19:21 < Getty> if a user wants shell access 19:21 < Getty> he has to buy own computer at our hosting 19:21 < kervel> and you do webhosting ? 19:22 < Getty> beside, but its not our income ;) 19:22 < kervel> and web development 19:22 < kervel> ah 19:22 < Getty> more web development 19:22 < Getty> handy stuff 19:22 < Getty> "mobile devices" blabla 19:22 < kervel> ah stuff like that 19:22 < kervel> software devel ? 19:22 < Getty> yeah 19:22 < kervel> i'm working for very small hosting company 19:23 < Getty> if you can give me shell i will say yes ;) 19:23 < kervel> btw strange site you have blue letters on a blue background not too readable 19:23 < Getty> its yellow letters on blue background 19:23 < Getty> what browser you use? 19:23 < kervel> konq CVS 19:23 < kervel> 'll check with firebird 19:23 < Getty> no green letters 19:24 < Getty> its "simple html" 19:24 < Getty> made with "notepad" ;) 19:24 < Getty> do you wanna have funny stuff? try to delete notepad.exe on win2k or winxp ;) 19:24 < kervel> ah green letters with firebird weird 19:24 < kervel> what happens then ? (have no windows here) 19:24 < Getty> it will be recovered 19:24 < Getty> you can't replace or delete it 19:25 < Getty> you can actually delete it, but it will appears again some seconds later ;) 19:25 < Getty> very funny 19:25 < kervel> hehe 19:25 < Getty> shocked me 19:25 < Getty> i wanted to replace notepad.exe with editplus2.exe 19:26 < kervel> if ms does that with all the critical files, i think thats pretty good 19:26 < Getty> windows is easy recoverable anyway 19:27 -!- Umler [~anon@200.67.146.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 490 seconds] 19:27 < kervel> you have boring screenshots on your site :) 19:27 < Getty> hehehe 19:27 < Getty> its reality 19:28 < kervel> reality is boring 19:28 < Getty> sometimes 19:28 < Getty> you not know me ;) 19:29 < kervel> hehe 19:29 < kervel> ok i'm off to bed 19:29 < kervel> thanks for help .. 19:30 < Getty> no problem 19:30 -!- anon [~anon@dsl-200-67-146-73.prodigy.net.mx] has quit [Ping timeout: 501 seconds] 19:30 < Getty> n8 19:30 < kervel> bye 19:30 -!- kervel [~kervel@bones.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be] has quit [Quit: BitchX: the right choice for a healthy pet] 19:31 -!- arthur [~arthur@adsl-64-171-188-145.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59 -!- Aetherios [~jeff@robocop.valueclick.com] has quit [] 20:35 -!- Tron [~tron@scarygliders.net] has joined #uml 21:02 -!- solarce_ [~solarce@209-16-139-5.cortland.com] has joined #uml 21:04 -!- solarce [~solarce@209.16.139.6] has quit [Ping timeout: 490 seconds] 21:09 -!- Tron [~tron@scarygliders.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:12 -!- Umler [~anon@dsl-200-95-49-4.prodigy.net.mx] has joined #uml 22:44 -!- slh_____ [~chatzilla@adsl-154-236-110.jax.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 501 seconds] 22:57 -!- slh______ [~chatzilla@adsl-154-234-79.jax.bellsouth.net] has joined #uml 23:20 -!- coryb [~cory@24.124.36.198] has joined #uml --- Log closed Tue Aug 19 00:00:00 2003